SoftwareOne Holding AG (SWON) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 31, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, welcome to the SoftwareONE Conference Call and Live Webcast. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Anna Engvall, Head of Investor Relations of SoftwareONE. Please go ahead.
Anna Engvall
executiveGood morning, and thank you to everyone for joining the call. I'm Anna Engvall, Head of Investor Relations at SoftwareONE. As you will have seen, SoftwareONE is pleased to announce the appointment of Raphael Erb as new CEO. We also released an update on current trading and financial guidance this morning. In terms of agenda for this call, Raphael will start by saying a few words. Rodolfo Savitzky, CFO, will then provide an update on our Q3 2024 performance. Finally, we will hold a brief Q&A session. We expect the call to take no longer than 30 minutes in total this morning. Our full Q3 trading update will take place on the 13th of November as planned. Before handing over to Raphael, please let me remind you that information provided on this call include forward-looking statements, which reflect the best of our current knowledge. Actual results may vary. With that, I will hand over to Raphael.
Raphael Erb
executiveGood morning, everyone. A very warm welcome also from my side, and thank you for joining us at such a short notice this morning. As the new CEO of SoftwareONE, I very much look forward to our future interactions. Given today's announcement, I would like to share my perspective on SoftwareONE and some of my immediate priorities with you. I joined SoftwareONE more than 25 years ago in our sales organization. Over the years, I've had the joy and the privilege of working in different leadership roles across regions and with that, got the chance to develop a deep understanding of our business. SoftwareONE, in short, it's all about being a trusted adviser. This means that serving our global and diversified clients as well as our partners with excellence is absolutely core to our success. To understand and keep up with their evolving needs, it's, therefore, imperative for us to stay close to them and to listen to and empower our regional leadership and teams across our 60-plus country organizations. As CEO, my #1 priority will, therefore, be to enhance our focus on the customer, empower our frontline and improve our commercial model to drive growth. We have a strong foundation in place, which I'm very proud of, a large loyal customer base, deep partner relationships and a talented team of more than 9,000 colleagues worldwide. At the same time, we have experienced challenges in recent months that we will need immediate attention and actions. Some of the recent affects the entire industry as we are seeing a more cautious corporate spending environment with lower sales cycles in certain key markets. We are also adapting the organization to vendor incentive changes. And on the other hand, we have had sales execution issues with the implementation of our new GTM approach, which, by the way, is a model I fully support. We are actively working to resolve those and are making adjustments to the rollout in remaining markets. Beyond this, I personally see a clear need to respond swiftly to client demands and make the right strategic decisions at a faster pace. I also see significant scope for driving efficiencies towards a more customer-focused organization and aligning our cost base to the current environment by reducing costs, including overheads. Rodolfo will shortly go into a bit more detail on our results and outlook. And I hope you understand also given my first day in the new role will be tomorrow, that we will only present a fuller picture with our Q3 trading update in 2 weeks. Let me close by saying that I'm absolutely convinced we can get software run back on its growth path. As I step into my new role tomorrow, there is certainly work to be done and it will not happen overnight. I look forward to keeping you posted on our progress as we shape the next chapter together with our excellent team. With this, I will now hand over to Rodolfo to take you through our performance in the third quarter. Thank you.
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveThank you, Raphael. A few words from my side as well regarding our financial performance. Revenue growth in Q3 was 3.1% year-on-year in constant currency, below our own and market expectations. Foreign exchange headwinds impacted revenue growth by around 1.7 percentage points. The adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.6%, down 4 percentage points compared to prior year, primarily reflecting the lower-than-expected revenue growth. In terms of regional performance, APAC delivered another strong quarter with 24% growth in our largest region DACH, was up 11%, supported by large customer within the enterprise and public sector segments. However, revenue in rest of EMEA, NORAM and Lat Am declined. The underperformance of these markets in Q3 was driven by a combination of factors. Firstly, a reduction in certain vendor incentives in Q3 was not compensated for with new incentives, as was the case in the first half of the year. Secondly, the implementation of our new go-to-market model, which was rolled out on an accelerated time line in mid-2024 led to some disruption and challenges with sales execution. These issues were particularly pronounced in key regions such as North America, where we now expect the benefits of the transformation in terms of improved sales productivity to take longer. Finally, this was compounded by a more cautious spending environment in certain key markets, which we expect will persist through the fourth quarter. As mentioned by Raphael, we are taking decisive action to address the issues and have also revised both our guidance for the year as a result of our performance in Q3 and outlook for Q4 as well as our targets for 2026. We now expect full year revenue growth of 2% to 5%, down from 7% to 9% and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21% to 23% of revenue, down from 24.5% to 25.5%. There has been no change to our dividend guidance. Our 2026 targets have been adjusted to double-digit revenue growth, previously mid-teens, with an adjusted EBITDA margin approaching 27%, down from 28%. We will provide further detail on the Q3 numbers at our planned trading update on November 13. And with that, I'll now hand back to Anna to manage the Q&A.
Anna Engvall
executiveThank you, Rodolfo. We now have time to take a limited number of questions. Operator, could we please have the first question?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Reto Huber with Research Partners.
Reto Huber
analystThank you for updating us this morning. I have a few questions. The first one would be on the expected compensations that we did not receive. I was wondering to which products or services are they relating? Then secondly, in which account -- IFRS accounts would you have booked them? And then my third question would be on why are you not also publishing the revenues by segment this morning?
Raphael Erb
executiveThank you, Reto. Maybe let me start and then, Rodolfo, maybe you can add on. I think as we mentioned, we have in 2 weeks our Q3 announcement, and we will certainly go there into more detail on revenues by business line and so on. And that's why we haven't got into so much detail in this call. But maybe, Rodolfo, you can add on this and elaborate a little bit more on the specific questions.
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveYes. Thanks, Raphael. Thanks, Reto. When you said compensation for products and services, I think you mean the -- what we referenced as incentives, right?
Reto Huber
analystExactly, yes.
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveYes. So incentives are part of -- maybe it's a word that could be confusing. This is part of our intrinsic business model. This encompasses incentives from our different vendors for either sales performance or specific campaigns that we do. And these are recorded in revenue. This is part of the famous back-end fees that we talk about or front-end fees and then those special incentives for achieving certain KPIs or in some situations for having a special marketing campaign and then they support these programs. And not all, but the vast majority are recorded in revenue.
Reto Huber
analystOkay. And the other part will be in other operating income then?
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveSo in case some programs are more directed to funding specific resources, this we book under local sales, for example, because they are really linked to one-to-one to the funding of resource.
Reto Huber
analystOkay. And then can you say something about which products or services this relates to?
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveSo I think we -- look, again, as Raphael mentioned, we will go into a bit more detail during quarter 3. I think it's less per se -- it's more, I would call it, vendor related. And as you can imagine, given the big impact of Microsoft in our portfolio, the majority of these incentives are related to Microsoft. So here, again, just to be clear, it's not that all of a sudden this -- we hadn't anticipated certain changes per se in incentives. I think the key point is that during the first half, with a combination of getting additional incentives, either from Microsoft or other vendors, doing some of the big deals, we have managed to offset the incentives and this was not the case in quarter 3.
Raphael Erb
executiveYes. So maybe let me elaborate a little bit more on these incentives. And yes, it's mainly related to Microsoft, which is the biggest impact, for sure. We generated high incentives in Q3 2023. And while we knew that these incentives would be lower this year, most likely, we expect it to compensate for the changes. But unfortunately, we could not do so with full extent in Q3 to make that happen.
Reto Huber
analystSo Microsoft decided to postpone these incentives or just got them generally?
Raphael Erb
executiveIt's, in general, a slight incentive reduction, which we see from last year to this year. However, we wanted with basically accelerated net new business with bigger deal closing. And it's also a bit connected, I would say, that we see in general in some key markets a more cautious spending environment.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Martin Jungfleisch with BNP Paribas.
Martin Jungfleisch
analystI've just 2, please. First one is on 2026, I mean on 2025 really. I mean you reduced 2026 guidance, but you didn't really say anything about 2025. Would you expect 2025 to be another transition year as well before revenue growth should accelerate in 2026? That's the first question. And then the second one ties a bit into that. It's on the Microsoft incentive changes for next year. So my take is that next year, Microsoft will focus more on cloud and Copilot and less on simply user additions. Is that broadly correct? And then what is your assessment at this stage, how this would or could impact your business in 2025? Would this be like another hit to incentives again and lead to lower sales growth and margins?
Raphael Erb
executiveThank you for the question. Today's update is focused more on Q3 and 2024 guidance, and we will certainly come back on our 2025 expectations in much more detail at our full year results next year. But let me highlight the following and try to answer as much as possible your question. I'm absolutely convinced about SoftwareONE's potential and that we can return to being an industry leader. But we also have to be honest that we have some homeworks to do, and there are some market issues as well. So it, honestly, will take a bit of time. And my focus at the moment is to address those specific issues that we have identified and focusing on turning around our performance as much as possible. If we look into 2026, which you mentioned as well, and I think Rodolfo has mentioned it, going through the numbers a bit. Given the recent developments, our 2026 targets have been have been adjusted to double-digit revenue growth with an adjusted EBITDA margin approaching 27%. And it's -- my first day on the job is only tomorrow. So what I can promise is that we will make fast decisions actively and come back to due course with our thoughts on Vision 2026. On the Microsoft incentive part, going into 2025, maybe specifically, we generally expect continued headwinds from those changes from Microsoft. So incentives related to enterprise agreements has been significantly reduced from 1st January 2025. However, this can be offset by the opportunity we see around the CSP vehicle and other programs. And as we are currently in the, I would say, final stage of our internal budgeting process, we will need to revert with the net impact with our full year 2024 results in February.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Florian Treisch with Kepler.
Florian Treisch
analystI have 2. One is maybe add on to the Microsoft question after Martin before. So I'm fine with not getting a precise guidance on '25, but can you maybe remind us how much of your current Microsoft revenues relates to businesses, which will no longer be really incentive starting January '25, i.e., how much of your business is at risk needs to be shifted into the right program going forward? And the second question is around this '26 midterm guidance. So if I'm coming from mid -- or let's say, mid-teens down to, let's call it, 10%, which is probably double digit, this 5% gap in my assumption, how can you explain it? I mean most of getting from high single digit to 15% was a better sales execution. So are you simply not any longer expect any benefits from it in the coming 1, 2 years? Or do you simply believe the market is not growing any longer, 5% -- 10% but, let's say, 5% on average for you?
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveSo I think we -- what we see is some similar trends like what we see in Q3, also in Q4 and going into 2025. In the midterm, however, we are absolutely convinced that we can bring the company back to double-digit growth. And that's why we are also setting the targets, 2026 still remain at double-digit growth. I think on the very specific questions around the impact on Microsoft, we don't have all the facts now ready to give you a good answer here. But I think maybe already our Q3 announcement full numbers or then for sure, full year 2024, we are ready to provide more visibility and clarity on that.
Florian Treisch
analystIt would be much appreciated to be fair. It is very disappointing that you have not least number available if that is your biggest client or you're buying bigger vendor partner, to be fair.
Rodolfo Savitzky
executiveAnd maybe just to complement on Raphael's answer. Again, in terms of market growth potential, we continue to see the same potential that we have communicated before. As Raphael explained, we have had some issues in terms of the deployment of the go-to-market that translates into, of course, a delay in the acceleration of commercial impact as is normal once you face these issues. And so of course, we have guided before for '26. We wanted to provide an update, but of course, we continue to see a positive growth progression after '26 as well. That's important. And I just wanted to also reiterate that we continue to see very healthy growth in our addressable markets in the medium term.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Joe George with JPMorgan.
Joseph George
analystWelcome, Raphael. I've got 2, I think, yes, 2. The first one would just be on, again, the Microsoft changes. So could you just give us, in your view, what has changed in these incentives because other resellers have indicated that the direction of travel is broadly in line with Microsoft's cloud strategy, even if the trajectory has maybe accelerated a little bit? So is it more a case that SoftwareONE is being impacted by the mix of the Microsoft products that you currently resell? And then as a follow-up to that, could you just give us a broad idea of what percentage of your Microsoft business is currently enterprise agreements?
Raphael Erb
executiveThank you. So I mean, in general, Microsoft typically changed the incentive structure on an annual basis, right? So -- and what we see, obviously, and this is related to 2025 is that on enterprise agreements, they do some changes. And we have a large business on enterprise agreement. I would need to look into the details exactly how big it is. However, there is also opportunities, as I mentioned, by basically benefiting from other funding tools and programs which are available. And therefore, that's crucial that SoftwareONE and Microsoft are aligned on the priorities, which we are. We have a strong relationship with Microsoft, and we remain mutually focused on a successful long-term partnership. And therefore, we just need to make sure we align our business continuously around those priorities. And then we can benefit midterm, again, very much from that. But short term, we see these headwinds around the incentives and that's just the fact, which means even more, we need to accelerate basically our go-to-market, we need to make sure we win net new logos, we closely engage with our customers to continue to gain market share in order to overcome the impact.
Operator
operatorThat was the last question.
Anna Engvall
executiveGreat. Thank you, operator. Then thanks, everyone, for joining, and speak to you soon.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.
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