Dropbox, Inc. (DBX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 8, 2022

NASDAQ US Information Technology Software conference_presentation 26 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#1

Thank you, everybody, for joining us here. We're very excited to have Dropbox. Thank you for coming, Tim. I think this company is at a crossroads in terms of trying to expand their product -- go-to-market product first initiatives with becoming a bigger and broader platform in terms of getting into workflows and expanding their sales in that regard. And this is a company that's been very free cash flow positive for a long time and we'll get into all that, but I'm excited to talk to Tim and learn more about this journey. So why don't we just kick it off with the audience and give a 1-minute background maybe on who Dropbox is and maybe a little bit of that evolution in terms of the product company, now platform company?

Timothy Regan

executive
#2

Sure. Well, first, thanks, Thomas, and thanks KeyBanc for having us. Pleasure to be here. As far as our evolution, so we really evolved from a place to keep your files in sync to a place to keep your teams in sync. And if I think about how that's translated from a scale perspective, we now have over 800 billion pieces of content on our platform. You've got 17.3 million paying users on our platform. The ARR is now $2.333 billion. So certainly hit a large point of scale. As far as the strategic evolution of the company, there's a few things we've really been focused on over the last few years and it's been consistent. Number one is really evolving and strengthening our core file sync and share product. So this is that $2 billion ARR plus base and doing more to make that easy, seamless, intuitive experience for our customers. And we've seen that translate to improving retention where churn has improved year-over-year, the last many quarters in a row. We've also done things like expanding our pricing and packaging. We just did a team's price change that we'll talk about, I'm sure, a little bit more here. So doing a lot more to give our file sync and share customers more of what they're looking for, solving their jobs to be done and strengthening that position because clearly, that's a big catalyst for the business and generating a lot of free cash flow and generating a lot of profitability. And so that then allows us to expand into, call it, really our second strategy, and that's expanding into document workflows and allowing people to do more with their content. And we talk about giving people more verbs, things you can do with your content. And so that's where we -- we acquired a company called HelloSign back in 2019, it's a e-signature company. So it's one way we've demonstrated the ability to give people more to do with their content. DocSend, we acquired them back in 2021 to send and track. You can analyze what you've sent to a vendor or a customer understand how closely they're paying attention or not to your materials. So that's another thing we've done to engage with and give people things to engage with their content. We've launched things like Capture, which is asynchronous communication through replays, it's a lightweight video editing tool. Shop, that's a way for our users to monetize their content on Dropbox so they can sell their content to end users. We've launched passwords and backup. So the engineering velocity has really picked up around these verbs to again, allow people to do more with the content that we've stored. And then really, the third prong of our strategy is really around operational excellence, where this one is near and dear to my financial heart as far as putting out financial targets of $1 billion in free cash flow -- annual free cash flow by 2024, operating margins of 30% to 32% by 2024 and then really also returning capital to shareholders. We've, over the last few years, returned over $1.5 billion to shareholders in the form of share repurchases. That's helping to drive down our share count. So this is just another way we're improving the business and I think putting ourselves in a position of strength to operate in this environment versus others are having to take some more draconian measures to catch up to today's macroeconomic conditions.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#3

Saying it lately. The -- there's a lot there, and I thank you for articulating that so well, specifically on the workflows and the new M&A that you've had with HelloSign and DocSend, just a follow-up there. Retention is really important to you guys. I mean -- correct me if I characterize anything inappropriately, but I think churn could be as high as 10% annually. That's -- as the company, your scale, that's a lot of dollars. So have you started to see the fruits of the labor already in terms of retention related to these expansions?

Timothy Regan

executive
#4

Sure. Absolutely. So churn has come down year-over-year. So again, we keep investing in that. And to your point, every basis point of improved churn really helps when you're talking about a $2.3 billion ARR base. And so the team is very focused on that, seeing improvements there. And a few of the areas we're focused on, one point is call it the mobile channel, where over half of our new users come in through the mobile channel. So we're doing a lot to improve that experience. We've really improved speeds, upload speeds, the performance of our mobile devices. One thing that I really appreciate is some of it seems basic and intuitive, where in the past, a customer could -- or a user could only upload one photo at a time. This quarter, we enabled the customer user to upload multiple photos at a time. So we saw that double the number of uploads just in the past quarter. So again, giving customers what the tools that they're looking for helps with retention. Sharing is another thing that when people come to the mobile -- to us through the mobile channel, sharing is what they're trying to do. They're trying to share their content. And so now on your mobile device, you can see this blue sharing button. It's a very prevalent sharing button. So again, we're trying to get very easy. In the past, you had to click through a few different drop-downs to get there. Now it's everywhere. So we make it very seamless and intuitive for you. Also, we've introduced a few other products such as passwords and backup where people can store their passwords on Dropbox and then they can back up their hard drives or their computers on Dropbox. And the more that people use multiple points of functionality, we're finding that there's a retention lift there. So they're not just using file sync and share, they're using passwords or backup. There is an improved level of retention when that happens. And then maybe the last dimension I'll talk about before I move off of the churn point is that our external sellers or outbound team. We've now -- we've changed the way we compensate them where instead of it's all just predicated on getting the next new account, they get compensated on retaining their current set of accounts, right? So there's a much greater emphasis on, hey, it's a lot easier to keep your current customers and go get a new one. So let's incentivize them to put their effort towards that. So that's another area that we've seen improved churn.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#5

Very clear. And then Dropbox has a pretty unique exposure in terms of smaller-sized businesses, commercial size businesses, even a consumer business. So we've asked a lot of our companies here at the conference. I'm sure people would like to hear your because given your unique exposure to that kind of more economically sensitive area. Have you seen anything late kind of clarify some of the news read, we also read?

Timothy Regan

executive
#6

Sure. Yes. so I'd say overall, the business has been quite resilient in this environment. So maybe I'll start with some of them and I'll start with some of the bad news, and then we'll get a good news to start. So Russia, so that's impact like everyone else, Russia, having to discontinue some sales to Russia. That's a mid- to high single-digit million dollar impact to revenue this year. So that's a headwind we'll have to absorb. FX, that really the strengthening of the U.S. dollar, that really turned against us this past quarter. It's now a $34 million headwind to revenue for the year. So I think that's impacting everybody, but we're not immune to those. Our growth businesses have seen some slowdown. HelloSign, not immune to what's going on in the broader e-signature space. So we've seen that really take off after the pandemic, and then that's pulled back a little bit. I know DocuSign has seen similar things. And DocSend, another one of our growth businesses. That -- a fair amount of DocSend relies on the VC fundraising community, which, again, that has seen some pullback in this space. So those are some of the points of bad news. On the good news front, our core file sync and share product continues to do really well. We have not really seen a material deviation in our trends. Things continue to hold steady. As I talked about, churn continues to improve. We actually did raise our constant currency guidance for the full year by about $8 million. We had our earnings call last week. So actually raised our guidance for the full year. We beat our Q2 guidance and raise for the full year. We also just did launch this pricing and packaging change. And so far, churn rates have been better than we had forecasted. So -- and why you may ask? About 80% of our users use us for work. And so if you think about what do people need in recessionary downturn times, they need to be able to do their jobs. They need the tools to enable them to do their work. And so that's where we are helping to solve some of their core challenges. And I think people are turning to us and staying with us.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#7

Well, let's focus on that 20% as an adjunct. I hate when you share a stat and then I jump on you with it, but the -- but that consumer exposure. It's relatively unique to Dropbox with some of your competitors. Have you seen any economic impact there at this time?

Timothy Regan

executive
#8

No. Again, everything tends to -- so far whether it's on the consumer side or on the team side, everything has been holding steady. So I think our core file sync and share product has been really resilient in this environment. We've seen that in the past, where in pullbacks or downturns, people tend to stay with us. And again, I think the leverage is for.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#9

You do have experience there and the product has been sticky. But your expansion into like workflows and like something, again, a little bit more SMB or commercial, do you expect the skew of your business to maybe, say, a few years from now, expand away from kind of smaller businesses in consumer?

Timothy Regan

executive
#10

I'd say right now, our business continues to be very well positioned to leverage our self-serve go-to-market motion, right? So that is 90% of our business. And we continue to focus on individuals, freelancers, solar printers, SMBs. It tends to be a very profitable motion for us, where there's minimal discounting on the revenue side, the cost of going down that path is highly profitable. You can see our margins are strong. We do have about 10% of our business is outbound in channel. And so we do have this land-and-expand motion where we try to enable the most efficient motions on our outbound side where they can see pockets of usage of Dropbox in a particular company from a start point, given that self-serve motion and then expand based on that. So it's been very efficient for us. We're going to continue to leverage that. Where we see opportunity on the broader mid-market enterprise space, we'll certainly keep that in mind. But for now, I think the strategy that we've seen in the past will hold the short term here.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#11

Excellent. You mentioned a couple of times as large price increases. It's 20% price increase on the teams. So maybe help kind of formulate what teams is kind of as a percentage -- I think you've broken that out in the past and to just kind of show the magnitude of what this could drive in terms of revenue growth?

Timothy Regan

executive
#12

Sure. So what we did is we raised prices on our standard and advanced plans. And so that's about 1/3 of our total ARR base. And we have not raised prices on these plans since 2017. And so we've been adding a lot of value to these plans over the last handful of years. And then recently, we also started offering our customers these more robust security capabilities and features. Things like external sharing reporting where you can see how content has been shared external. You can -- we brought in Dropbox Passwords, Dropbox Backup. Then we brought in ransomware detection capabilities. And so we've seen things like ransomware increased 300%, I should say, the industry has seen -- increased 300% over the past year and SMBs are highly the subject. There is about half to 2/3 of all cyber-attacks are towards SMBs. And so we partnered with our customers to really offer this additional functionality. And so again, we're seeing that translate well to our results. Getting back to your maybe perhaps how does this flow through to the model-type questions.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#13

That's the next one to ARPU, yes.

Timothy Regan

executive
#14

So let's see. So again, it's 1/3 of our total ARR, and it's a 20% price increase. From a modeling perspective, it will flow through according to how the billing cycles occur. And so we have -- 2/3 of our users are on an annual plan and 1/3 are on a monthly plan. And so for new customers, this came into effect in June. Existing customers, this came into effect on July 5. And so I do expect a spike in net new ARR in the third quarter really as the monthly users are subject to this pricing change. And then for it to flow through over time as annual customers are subject to the pricing change. And so this will flow through to net new ARR over that pattern I just described. And then to revenue, it will flow through over -- in 2022 and 2023, it will be a benefit to both. And so far, churn is going well. We've got this early signal of June and July. So far, customers are staying with us better than we had hoped, better than we had forecast, and new customer conversion is coming in strong. So I certainly feel like this is going to be an accretive to ARR event.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#15

So you got that obviously a tailwind. And if retention keeps trending in the right way with all the enhancements you've made, that's going to be another tailwind. In 2Q, you, I think, exceeded both gross margin and operating margin. Maybe you can tease out if there are any onetime items in there, but this just begs to maybe marrying what top line growth is kind of needed to support that kind of double-digit CAGR growth to get to the $1 billion free cash flow?

Timothy Regan

executive
#16

Sure. Yes. Okay. So gross margin came in at 83% in the second quarter, operating margin 32%. So both at or above even our long-term targets. There were a few onetime items in there. There was some onetime release of tax reserves. But I would say that was low single digits, $1 million impact, so not terribly material. We also had some delayed spend, some spend that will hit us later in the year, some delayed onboarding of outsourced customer support. So those are a few things. But I'd say, by and large, it just continues to be efficiencies that we find in the business. So our infrastructure team continues to do a fantastic job of finding ways to leverage hardware and software efficiencies to support our growing level of data volumes on the platform. So that continues to go well. We're also hiring in lower-cost locations. We've adopted the virtual-first way of working. So that's enabled us to hire in low-cost locations. I think more than half of our hiring so far this year has been outside of San Francisco, New York and Seattle. So certainly leveraging that low-cost location strategy. Actually, we've been opening up an office in Poland here in the back half of the year. So that's another point of leverage we'll have. So all this enabled us to raise our operating margins about 30% for the year. So certainly seeing leverage. I know you asked what do we need to see from a growth perspective.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#17

Well, just trying to understand the puts and takes there. I'll try to be more clear. You have this price increase, there's a tailwind. People can do math at 1/3 x20. And then the street models are around kind of that high single-digit percentage growth market, you're forecasting double-digit percent CAGR. Will it come more from a scaled up revenue growth to hit that $1 billion free cash line or will we continue to see leverage in the model?

Timothy Regan

executive
#18

I would say we have many paths to get to the $1 billion free cash flow, right? So we'll keep paying attention to things like that we've had this new FX headwind this year. We've had a new change in how tax law where we have to capitalize R&D, so that's driven up our tax rates. So we'll continue to navigate the twists and turns of the market and find our way towards the $1 billion. We do try to balance growth and profitability. I don't think we intend ongoing growth at all costs nor do we intend ongoing margins and profitability at all costs. We look towards what's best for the health of the company on a long-term basis and invest towards that where we do have guideposts of our $1 billion in free cash flow with 30% to 30% operating margins. We consider the Rule of 40. So it's a continual balance of what is the right investment set that drives us towards the highest levels of ROI on the way towards the $1 billion. And so I don't think we're going to commit to -- it has to be X level of revenue growth or Y level of profitability. But I do think we have levers to pull all across that journey. And of course, again, we continue to reiterate those targets, and we will find our way there.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#19

Is there any questions from the audience?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#20

Just going back to some of the that you mentioned some of the acquisitions you've made. I feel like you guys are at an interesting nexus or your to more security like DLP, which weatherization and the. [indiscernible] Are any of the areas you tend how you guys -- are you guys being on that in terms of?

Timothy Regan

executive
#21

Sure. Yes. Well, I think M&A is definitely an opportunity for us. And I think it has come to be more so over the past year, really as valuations have come down. In the years past, there was hard for me to justify as a financial person paying some of the premiums that we would have had to pay. Now things have come more so into the realm of reason. I think we're certainly paying very close attention to that front. Now we do have to make sure whatever we do fits within our product strategy. We certainly want to leverage our core competency, which is in content. If I go back to we have 800 billion pieces of content. So how can we enable something within that natural adjacency that will make sense for our customers? So we look at product strategy fit. We look at go-to-market fit as well, self-serve, companies like DocSend and HelloSign that have more of a self-serve motion as opposed to those that play more in the enterprise space. Is that a better fit for us from a go-to-market perspective? And then, of course, I also look hard at financials, right? This is something that's going to be useful in terms of helping us achieve our long-term targets. So just those are some of the parameters we will look at. And then you've seen us execute on DocSend and HelloSign. And you see us get better about incorporating these products into our portfolio and leveraging the synergies inherent in these deals. So I think we're getting better at that front and the opportunities are there. And so we are paying a lot of attention on the M&A side. As far as what spaces in particular, we're looking at, I don't think I can give up too much, but I'll say we look at the trends of our customers, right? And we've seen our customers do a lot more with things like PDFs, right? So PDFs, we've seen more 50 billion PDFs added to the platform last year. So that's where we've been investing more on workflows like HelloSign and DocSend and we did PDF editing, which allows you to edit PDFs natively within Dropbox. Video is another area we've seen that really rise where video has -- we've seen video content increase 50% in the pandemic. It's another one -- security is another area that very important to customers these days. So that gives you a sense of, okay, what is a potential adjacency for us? What trends are we seeing within our customer base? Now which ones -- what areas can we win in, right? Because we want to be #1, #2 in a certain space, we will be #7. So how do we figure out how to do all of these sorts of things? How do we find that right blend? But yes, this is something that -- actually, Dagan, our Head of Corp Dev is sitting right here in the audience. So we are -- he's smiling. We have some ideas, and we're looking hard.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#22

Any other questions? If not, I have one more. So I think I should have asked it 5 questions ago, but there's some pretty large competitors that you wrestle with every single quarter, being with the [ GD ] and other ones. But anyway, given what you've done with the product portfolio over the last few years, is your competitive landscape changing, do you believe a little bit? Maybe leading some of those larger competitors behind because they're not innovating as quickly? Or maybe obviously talk maybe a little bit about pricing as well?

Timothy Regan

executive
#23

Yes, sure. So we've always been in a competitive space. And I think we continue to compete with some of the larger folks quite well. As we talked about, we've seen churn improve. We've seen ARPU absent. If you take out FX headwinds, ARPU continues to go up and to the right, paying users continues to increase free cash flow margin. So we're doing well from a competitive perspective. We gain some of the larger players, some of our points of the differentiation really continue to be our ease of use, our neutrality, right? We're more of a Switzerland as opposed to taking a walled garden approach, trying to serve our customers in a more dedicated way, this is what we do. It's not storage and file signature. This is what we do. And so paying very close attention to what our customers are doing and helping to solve their needs more seamlessly. That's been a point of differentiation. And if I think about the -- how we compete against some of the small players? Again, our scale is a big factor, right? So the fact that we have 800 billion pieces of content, 17 million new users. We could see what are they doing with their content. We can see how are they engaging. We have data science teams that leverage these capabilities. And really, that helps us pivot our product road map to take advantage of some of that scale. So yes, we're in a competitive space. We understand that. We need to keep pivoting and adapting and monitoring these customer trends. But I think this is the mindset that Timothy and his team have brought is what are customers doing, make sure they're happy and things should translate from there.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#24

Exciting time for Dropbox. Sorry, one more question.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#25

Can you up the M&A and kind of what size you'd be willing to do and?

Timothy Regan

executive
#26

Yes. I think the size has expanded a little bit. So you've seen us do the Dropbox, HelloSign in the hundreds of millions, to 100, 200. We've certainly acquired companies along the lines of Command E, $25 million or so in Q4 last year. So we'll continue to do tuck-ins to the extent they facilitate and accelerate our product road map. We'll continue to do the, call it, medium-sized HelloSign and DocSend to the extent that they really also continue to add to our growth profile and solve the right customer challenges. But I think we have $1.5 billion or so on the balance sheet. We've got a revolver. Our stock is doing relatively well. So we have the dry powder to use. We generate a lot of cash. So this is a good time for us to play from a position of strength, be perhaps a bit more opportunistic and look at something, maybe at a bit larger size and scale. But again, it's got to fit all the various check boxes I talked about, and it's got to drivers towards our long-term strategies.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#27

That's great. Thank you, Tim, for your time.

Timothy Regan

executive
#28

You bet. Thank you.

Thomas Blakey

analyst
#29

Thank you.

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