Barrick Mining Corporation (ABX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 10, 2026

TSX CA Materials Metals and Mining earnings 56 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Welcome to Barrick's Second Quarter 2026 Results Presentation. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. As a reminder, this event is being recorded, and a replay will be available on Barrick's website later today. I will now turn the call over to Emily Chang Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Unknown Executive

executive
#2

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We hope you've had an opportunity to review the press releases issued before the market opened this morning. The presentation deck will review is also available to download on our website. Presenting our results today are Mark Hill, Barrick's President and CEO; and Helen Kai, Senior EVP and CFO. Other members of Barrick's management team will be available after our prepared remarks for Q&A. Before we begin, please note that there will be forward-looking statements. This slide includes a summary of the significant risks and factors that could affect Barrick's future performance and our ability to deliver on those forward-looking statements. This material is also available on our website. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Mark Hill

executive
#3

Okay. Thanks, Emily, and good morning, everyone. So for those who don't know, I'm Leap, she is our new Vice President of Investor Relations and joined us from U.S. Steel. So before we share our full quarterly results, I want to begin with the agreement with Newmont we announced today. And actually, I want to go off script straight away to make the lawyers nervous here. So I want to clarify a few misconceptions here. So firstly, the total value of that package is approximately $4 billion. So obviously, includes the proportion of formal, but it also includes contribution to Newmont's properties, Mark and fiber line, which add I think it's around 6.4 million ounces as well. It is also the cost of resolving historical disputes and litigation between the joint venture partners. And it also reduces the friction costs of the planned IPO, which will unlock even greater for the shareholders beyond the cash proceeds from the transaction. And as we have said, they will be largely returned to the shareholders. So moving on, we have reached this agreement after 4 months of negotiations, so it now enables us to focus on delivering value through safely and consistently producing ounces. And our interest now are completely aligned this joint venture part, which is Cree. And I then want to actually thank our counterparts at Newmont, Akash and our team and, of course, everyone on the Barrick team. For the enormous amount of effort and work that's gone this over the last 4 months ever. Now so before I get into the results, there's also a couple of other things I would like to pilot. I think are the key strengths that have come out with Barrick over the last months. So first, our leadership team. So over the last 10 months, we've improved the operational performance across the entire business. And that's the thanks to the strength of our operating sighter GMs everyone write down through to the mining front. So we've also strengthened our relationship with Newmont, as we just said, position us well to grow and develop NdPr, which is also critical. Second, with the IPO, we're building the only major American pure gold company with high-quality, long-life assets. So this is exactly what invested including some of the world's fastest-growing source of capital looking and third, outside of North America, the rest of the world portfolio which has a significant growth profile, also has a distinctive advantage and our ability to work with our Chinese partners, including, as you know, a joint line ownership and co-investment. And this enables us greater efficiency and supply chain strength, which has helped us control our bot and partnerships that improve outcomes and reduce our -- so with this context, let me turn to our results for the quarter. As we've had our third quarter in a row with excellent operating and financial do. We delivered on all 4 of our priorities for the year the game priorities outlined at the start of the year. We continue to improve our safety performance. I'll go to that a bit later, but there's obviously still more work to be done there. We've delivered our gold production above guidance and met our cost guidance, we advanced our growth projects, Formal with Warner and the PV expansion, which remains on time and on budget. Not often you hear that in the mining industry. We continue to review record deck and commence a slowdown in development on the first of July, as previously disclosed. And our delivery on production and meeting our cost guidance also allowed us to deliver strong financial results with Colin will discuss a bit later. And finally, we achieved major milestones in the preparation of it of our North America gold assets, which are on track, which is on track to be completed by the end of the -- so let me move to safety, which is still our #1 priority, and our goal is that everyone oxy goes home safe and healthy every day. So we saw a reduction quarter-on-quarter in our frequency rate. We've been at a 0.92 to 0.77. But disappointingly, we still had 6 LTRs. So there's still a lot of work to do to completely unacceptable, and we need to focus on our safety until we get the target here. So all of our leaders, all the way up to the executive committee, including myself spending more time in the field and at the mine site. They're doing more critical control verification and fixing more risks on the spot. On top of that, we've also invested over $90 million this year in technology to improve safety. This includes our automation of mining equipment, write-down to vehicle dash cams, safety reporting software and AI analytics. And we're also working hard to enter now out as many safety hazard possible. So turning to our Q2 highlights. Actually, before I start on the Pitolisant clarify our earnings with $0.82, adjusted earnings $0.83 per share. in mind with the Bloomberg consensus, I'm not there's some media out there this morning is it not that we missed, but I'm not sure what the source of that is. Barrick produced 96,000 ounces of gold in the quarter, which was 3% above guidance and 11% over Q1. The main drivers of that were we progressed the ramp-up of Blue lean CovaHead of schedule. PB ramped up faster than than expected after the maintenance shutdown in Q1 and we mined record tonnes underground at cores and continued the ramp up at Goldrush. On the copper side, we produced 56,000 tonnes. We managed costs well and our gold cost, as I said, were within G. Our earnings nearly doubled year-over-year, and we more than doubled quarterly shareholder return to $1.5 billion. And the strong performance were booked as Optiacross all of our regions, though North America continued to anchor our world-class portfolio. NGMPBgos registered year-over-year revenue growth Together, they accounted for 53% of our total attributable adjusted EBITDA at a margin of 61%. Our other regions also delivered strong gold production with meaningful attributable EBITDA at margin Copper continued to perform well and delivered comparable margin for the whole business. So moving on to growth. As I said, our growth project has an on February during the quarter. So 4 miles we ramped up to ramped up the drilling to 20 active rigs, and we plan to complete the PFS by the end of 2020 -- at Lamina, made good progress on the mill expansion, which will double the copper production. We expect the project's 2026 CapEx to come in at the lower end of guidance, and the project remains on budget. We're on track to produce our first copper from the expansion by the end of Q1 in 2020. We -- the PV expansion also advanced on to schedule. We've made progress on permitting and construction across the tailings facility, all roads and mortar treatment plan. And we're also very pleased to report that we now have 90% of resettlement packages being accepted. And we continue to review record debt as previously disclosed, and we've decided we won't start building the plant this year. So we've reduced our expected 2026 attributable CapEx, it was $600 million to $700 million and is now $450 million to $500 million. So the lower spend on the mine and reordered group guidance for 2020 total attributable CapEx, $3.8 billion to $4.3 billion. So back to the IPO of our North American assets. So as I said, this entity will be a high-quality your gold play company, which assets are located exclusively in low-risk jurisdiction. And what I'm pleased to share that the Board has selected me to lead the new company as a CEO on launch. We've completed all operating and separation agreement Ben Barrick and a new company, and we remain on track to complete the IPO by the end of the year. And we expect the vast majority of net proceeds raised to be returned to shareholders. I know several people have asked me in the past. So I'll now turn it over to Helen Kay, our CFO, who will review our financial performance.

Hongyu Cai

executive
#4

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Q2 marked the third consecutive quarter of strong production, house performance and financial results. Net earnings were $1.2 billion, a 50% increase year-over-year. Adjusted net earnings was $1.36 billion, which equates to adjusted EPS of $0.82, in line with Bloomberg consensus. Attributable adjusted EBITDA of $2.5 billion was up 51% year-over-year with a 59% margin. On a cash flow basis, the second quarter is typically our lowest each year for free cash flow due to the timing of our annual tax and interest payments. This quarter, we also incurred a onetime $400 million payment related to LuloGoncoto. Combined, this led to a 33% decline in year-over-year attributable free cash flow. . Excluding this, attributable free cash flow for the quarter would have been over 60% higher year-over-year. Year-to-date, attributable free cash flow has been $1.4 billion, more than double the same period last year. Turning to the operations. Gold production increased 11% quarter-over-quarter and exceeded guidance. We continue to operate within our cost guidance, reflecting an acute focus on operational efficiencies to offset new client pressures. We closed Q2 with a healthy $1.2 billion of net cash on the balance sheet, giving us flexibility to continue investing in our highest return opportunities and returning capital to shareholders. Turning to our capital allocation framework. We have 3 priorities. First, managing the balance sheet with discipline. Second, investing in our assets to drive earnings accretive growth; and third, returning capital to shareholders. Our fee work is designed to be sustainable through the cycle. On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with meaningful access to liquidity, an undrawn $3 billion revolving credit facility and no meaningful debt due until 2033. Turning to our portfolio. Revana and Fourmile are 2 clear examples where we are strategically deploying capital into organic opportunities that we believe will generate superior returns. More broadly, we intend to identify similar earnings accretive opportunities to strengthen our growth profile while remaining disciplined in how and when we deploy capital. This is not about growth for the sake of it. It is about creating value over time with a suite of assets that has extraordinary growth potential. And finally, we are executing against our capital return policy. Our dividend policy provides for a quarterly base dividend of $0.175 per share with an additional performance top up at year-end, to target a total payout of 50% of attributable free cash flow. We also completed $1.2 billion of share repurchases this quarter. of the $3 billion authorization that was announced last quarter. In the 3 quarters since new leadership began in October 2025. Barry has returned $3 billion in dividends and buybacks to shareholders more than doubled the prior corresponding period. We expect the careful execution of our capital allocation strategy to drive further shareholder returns. In summary, our capital allocation feedwork is disciplined, flexible and designed to work throughout the cycle. It supports reinvestment in the business, advances growth, protect the balance sheet and create a clear pathway for returning excess cash to shareholders. With that, I will turn the call back over to Mark.

Mark Hill

executive
#5

Okay. Thank you, Helen. So just on guidance, our 2026 production cost because I remain unchanged. So for the third quarter, we expect gold production to be higher than Q2, consistent with our plan, and we expect even higher production in the fourth quarter. Copper production should also increase in the second half of the year relative to the first half. So since to start again, since October 25, we have consistently delivered against our strategic priorities and to a new standard of operational performance. And again, I'd like to congratulate GMs and our people on the site. We continue to focus on controlling costs, capital intensity and productivity. And based on what we see today, -- we remain confident in our ability to deliver on our full year commitment for 2020. So just a couple of things to conclude. So obviously, again, I'm going to finish with the most important thing that is safety. And as I said, even though we've seen significant improvement, everyone is still focused on making sure every employee goes home safe every day. We have improved our operational consistency, which is what I said, and we've delivered on our guidance again. And as I said before, we've delivered on all our projects, they are on time and on budget, and I'll say again, I'm not sure how many comments do that in the morning. And we have advanced our North American RPO on table. So we're basically on track to execute against all the 4 priorities that we set at the start of the year. And so again, I'm going to say, and of course, we have transformed this relationship with Newmont, which allows us to get full value and expand MGM. So with that, I'll hand it back to the moderator for and I think.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Josh Wolfson with RBC.

Joshua Wolfson

analyst
#7

Yes. Thank you very much, operator. Thank you, Mark, for those introductory comments, and some of the numbers that were provided. I wonder if you can maybe break down more of information behind the different values would have been attributed to the agreement components. So I guess what would have been Mike and fiber line within that $1.95 billion and then perhaps with the adjustment sort of been in the prior disputes. .

Mark Hill

executive
#8

8 Okay. So the -- just to be clear, I'm not going to break it down to. On the prior dispute, so I mean I can't give a number on that, we would have had to go through a process to actually get to that number. So we just got to where we are. And then on the structural changes, I mean, now that we have this agreement done, we're actually going to go away and optimize this structure for the IPO. So as you can imagine, that's a bit of a work in process -- so -- but the overall value that we had on the table and we have ended this discussion with about $4 million as a highlight.

Hongyu Cai

executive
#9

And just 1 other thing, Josh. The thing I want to highlight is -- since we started this job, NGM has a lot of opportunity. I mean, you know the assets well and I'm sure you'll agree with that. There's been no increase in processing capacity there for years. I mean we're dealing with 25-year-old infrastructure. And then we have something like Fourmile that comes in, which is a world-class asset. And the answer is that we're just going to feed that through the current infrastructure and delay the other route, which anywhere else in the world, if you found out number of ounces, you would be wanting to bring that in early. So my discussions with Natasha and Newmont right from where it go was how do we get this together so we can optimize MGM. And by optimize, I want to look at increasing processing capacity I want to stop trucking ore all over the state. And the only way I can do that is if we combine all these assets now and work together to see if we can justify the roaster or autoplay what we need to build, what infrastructure we need a cores to process formal and Goldrush, get our cost structure in place and increase our overall ounces. So where we've landed now, at least we're in a position in Marketo add a lot of value very quickly without getting into these disputes, about allocation of resources, and obviously, just there will be a lot of synergies as well because we're just going to use the same team were going to combine them all together, all the same often, and we can advance this a lot. And that was obviously my ultimate goal.

Joshua Wolfson

analyst
#10

Great. Thank you for that detail. Just a follow-up question. With this resolution now completed, is the company considering a different structure in the IPO versus the 10%, 15% minority that was historically reviewed and could you go larger? And if the company went larger under what circumstances would there be a shareholder vote? Josh, it will still stay at 10%. I don't see any faces the way the company is structured. Anyone, correct?

Mark Hill

executive
#11

Sorry, is George speaking. Resi back in. I think it's just a matter of looking at the structures that we started looking at right at the beginning paring it to the current structure because that market is friction costs, but then the older to look at where it's domicile, et cetera. So there's all these things that we need to go back and look at now that we have the in few months. And again, as Mark said, that's where the value comes as well. We have this flexibility in optionality. Great. Thank you very much. .

Operator

operator
#12

Our next question comes from Tania Yakusho. Your line is open, please meet and go ahead.

Tanya Jakusconek

analyst
#13

How are you, Houston, we've made contact with a congratulations on your new role, has 2 questions is like it. The first 1 is just coming back to as question. Should we be thinking, Mark, that it was $4 billion of the new loan assets plus it plus the $2 billion that is a top-up for a total billion. Is that how I should be thinking about the price pace? Cana, it's $4 billion total in Okay. . All right. And should I be thinking about the cash that Newmont is paying for this? Is this going to be part of the cash coming into the or would this $2 billion cash that is going to be potentially used for share buyback and/or the top dividend at the end of 2022 or sorry. .

Mark Hill

executive
#14

Okay. Sorry, you very hard here. But and I think if I got the question right, so the cash we get back would be the majority of the return to shareholders, Creat

Tanya Jakusconek

analyst
#15

And then my final question, Mark, just for some of the processes for this IPO still -- you mentioned that you've done your separation agreement. I think everything has been filed with the SEC, the technical report -- what are we still waiting for? Is it just approval from the SEC filing the 3.5 year financials completing the new board? Maybe just the process of what we need to go for this to go live. Thank.

Mark Hill

executive
#16

Actually, Tanya, let me hand it over to Ari Maroone. I would say we're actually very close. But like I said, now that we have this agreement with Newmont and their consent. One of the things we want to do is go back and look at how biverstructures and compare what we have today. So -- we just want to go do that and make sure we do our diligence and understand the impact of that because we think there are big savings there. So that's where we are at the moment.

Operator

operator
#17

Our next question comes from Lawson Winder with BofA Securities. Your line is open, please met,and go ahead.

Lawson Winder

analyst
#18

Thank you very much, operator. And I'm Art. Good morning to you and the team, very nice operational -- congratulations on that. Just a couple of questions. So to follow up on file, I noted that the PFS is still on track for completion in 2020. However, with it now vended into NGM, is there any scope to speed up development and potentially have the asset and production earlier than what the initial PEA had indicated around sort of early 20s and then that's the first question. .

Mark Hill

executive
#19

Thanks, Lisa. Look, obviously, my intention is to accelerate this as fast as possible. And now that I sort of go through this process, I think that allows us to accelerate it or short out. We're still going to be limited by permit time lines and things like that. But where I think we can really advance it will is on the processing side as well, right? Because I'm going to advance that, and I've already talked to Natasha. We're going to advance that all in parallel, that's why we're driving those declines and doing this drilling. So it may not come on earlier, but hopefully, when it comes on, we'll be able to ramp it up a lot quicker and to actually a higher production target. That would be my target.

Lawson Winder

analyst
#20

Okay. Very helpful. And then maybe I could jump to the IPO. So after the initial minority interest is spun out, I mean at this point, have you changed your thinking on what could come after. So I think you had indicated previously that you just be an initial minority interest IPO, and that would be. Is there any thought to eventually IPO 100% of D&A at this point?

Se-Wook Yoon

executive
#21

No. So Lars, not at this point. I think we're still on track to do and just show the value and highlight the value of the dedicated management team. And just by the way, we have already pretty much split the management team, and hopefully have noticed the change in production and safety and things like that with just having that dedicated focus. So anyway, to answer your question, though, there's no update, we're going to go past 10% .

Lawson Winder

analyst
#22

Okay. Very helpful. And then in terms of the process, will there be a marketing process that will kick off in the relatively near future? There will be, but I don't know what the date is, Joe. .

John Tumazos

analyst
#23

Again, we just have to go back and look at that. But also activity, there will be a marketing process. .

Operator

operator
#24

Our next question comes from Anita Soni with CIBC Go ahead.

Anita Soni

analyst
#25

And Mark, congratulations on your new role and on the -- on improving operations at GM, my first question was with respect to the capital that you were talking about. I think you just talked about sort of declining infrastructure. And I'm just wondering what the capital would look like for a new roaster or a facility of that sort? And then what can we also expect in terms of NGM capital going forward? .

Mark Hill

executive
#26

Okay. That's a good question, Nate. So on the roster, I want to reoptimize the whole the whole process flow. I mean you've been there several times. So you've seen what it's like. So the roaster we've actually got has looking at it prevent now, I would have said it's billion. I don't really know it to be around that number. But that will offset a lot of things as we try and stuff all over the company side as well, and it would reduce some other infrastructure requirements. And then as far as other capital, and best will help me out this, there's nothing else is what else is material that's coming up in an -- it's true -- so I'll just go development of 4 months as we provided the market the conceptual PAs in the range of $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion at weeding the next few years, on 4 miles and apart from that, that's really the item that we've got our capital portfolio. We are planning on the pull some capital forward or the expense that we have on replacing our truck feeds at Purple Switch and actually a few project prices also by time it was holding. If we have a commented the success of those projects but we still also expect to nano capital in line with 55 years for North America. So those are the Thanks, is. Does that answer...

Anita Soni

analyst
#27

Yes, that's a good answer. I think I also wanted to ask about the 4-mile PEA. I understand you are moving forward with the PFS with a different type of structure, I guess, in terms of what you're looking for infrastructure. But would this PH -- like should that not have been filed 45 days after you announced the PEA? And I would venture to say that that's probably part of the reason why you're seeing your share price move because we don't really have a barometer right now outside of a slide deck that will give you like bare essentials in terms of how to model this. And so you're seeing wide degrees of variance in terms of what people are modeling for Fourmile. So would you be able to file the PEA that was put out last year, so at least we have something to go with while this PFS comes out? To Anita's a fair question in Europe, and that's why our share price is down centers. Well, I mean if you're -- if everyone's debating whether or not there's what the $2 billion is and it's -- and people are backing out something lower, which is something that you said on the call, then it's because they're not certain of what the 4-mile value is. .

Mark Hill

executive
#28

Okay. I haven't got a good answer to that. I mean when we filed the issued the PEA, it was conceptual in nature and still have technical Okay. But you're saying you haven't got enough information basically .

Anita Soni

analyst
#29

Yes. I mean, yes, it's -- there's a lot -- there were a lot of things that are unknown in terms of mining methodology, unit costs, right? There was -- we didn't know about this NPI, right? That was 1 major thing that was embedded in there, but nobody knew about it. So Anyway, I'll leave it there. I also just wanted to ask in terms of fiber -- let me just SP47135678 We will take that away right and see how we can do a better job at. And I understand what Trac I'll work something on to come back to. Okay. And I wanted to try 1 last time on the fiber line and Mike. Can you give us some round numbers in terms of what that would add to the equation. I'm assuming and by the math, I would assume that you're so Newmont is paying in for Fomile, but they're also exchanging their -- you guys are reciprocally paying for their 38.5% of Fourmile and Mike. And like -- and so it's a net -- it's like, I guess, at 61.5% that they're vending in of those specific assets to get to the -- to get to a collective $4 billion? Is that the right way to look at it? .

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#30

Yes. So the way we're paying for 61.5% of market fiberline and those others and that other settlement amount, which we're certainly not going to get into Look, Anita, we agree, we're just going to go out with a number and that was what it out I can't give you that right on. . Okay. All right. I guess with the IPO coming up, people are trying to understand what that significant component of Fourmile is. So any additional information would be helpful. .

Operator

operator
#31

Our next question comes from Daniel Major with UBS.

Daniel Major

analyst
#32

Team, and thanks for the questions. Sorry, just to clarification on the EUR 4 billion, just to be clear, is that the combined transaction value of 61.5% of Byline and Mike and 38.5% of Fourmile -- or is it just the 4-mile component. Can you just -- sorry if that's already been stated. Sorry. So when you net everything together and anyone jump in here if I get this wrong, to get to the $4 billion number, it is the value of former, the 38%. Then you have to net off the value of 61.5% of fiber line in mine. There is some money in there for to settle some legacy disputes for another word, right, as well. And then if you want to understand the full value, there's obviously some to benefit to Barrick by getting that consent and reducing the friction cost on the IPO, probably make it very complicated, Daniel, but.

Mark Hill

executive
#33

No, that's okay. Just being clear. Okay, that's fine. And then, I mean, you've alluded to some of this already, but if I look at the high-level parameters of the 2025 PEA 60,000 to 70,000 ounces, $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion of CapEx and $650 million to $700 million all-in sustaining cost. You suggested this EUR 2.5 billion more CapEx maybe on downstream processing and maybe some upside to the production, would it still be fair to assume that the all-in sustaining cost would be comparable to the $650 million to $700 million? Yes. I would say it's comparable. And hopefully, if we -- depending where we locate that grocery, you could actually expect did you want to say something? There is 1 point that we would raise and so special and speaking as ranges that we put out as part of the conceptual PA, we're naturally based at the consensus gold prices at the time, which, from memory, was around about $2,500 a is in excess so if you do apply today's long-term ones consensus prices of $3,600 a house, it's about $100 sensitivity for every $1,000 of the gold price mood. The right way would be to look at is to say we put out previously plus 100 doors to take into account the fact that the gold price has been 5,000.

Daniel Major

analyst
#34

Okay. Daniel, just to go back, though, just to the engineering side, obviously, the ideas that we increase the overall production capacity in Nevada or reduced tracking. So yes, I would be -- there'll be more capital that it will increase the production profile and lower the cost. That would be the target.

Mark Hill

executive
#35

And sorry, the line wasn't totally clear. So yes, so the 3,600, you add $100 to the 650 to 700. Was that what you alluded to, just to be clear. That's correct. Yes. SP585821372 And then incorporates the tech NPI sensitivity there? Correct. includes all of, that's good. And then, sorry, just final question on this. In terms of the if we're looking at the valuation of the stand-alone project or relative to what's implied in the EUR 4 billion and the various elements, is there any -- or can you provide some more detail on whether Newmont benefited from any assumptions around their 38.5% share of the infrastructure in that calculation that was imputed in the value of today's transaction?

Daniel Major

analyst
#36

I'm not sure I understand that question, Daniel. What do you There is a -- okay, so there's a net off against displacing other material from the process plants. How is that adjustment made?

Mark Hill

executive
#37

Yes, that is taking is taking in account by the 2 technical teams -- by the way, the 2 technical teams went from new Moonee sat down with the model for and all of the data and we write back and took all of that into account when we came up with the figure.

Daniel Major

analyst
#38

Okay. And maybe just 1 more, if I could. You obviously, I guess, Mark, you're going to be leading the the IPO vehicle. Can you give us any indication of how advanced you are in recruiting for senior management positions in the parent company? Look, so -- so we're advancing that discussion, right? And for the next lever. And we'll be updating you I would say shortly, is the right to -- we'll update the market share. It's an advanced process, Daniel.

Operator

operator
#39

Our next question comes from Bennett -- more with JPMorgan.

Bennett Moore

analyst
#40

Mark and Helen, congrats on strong quarter. I want to pivot to a slightly different topic here. I'm wondering if you can discuss some more detailed ramp plans for Lulu and gut specifically in regard to the push into open pit ore what sort of CapEx may be required to support this and your risk appetite to do so?

Mark Hill

executive
#41

Okay. Thanks, Ben. I'm going to hand it over to -- so I think the best way to explain on cat at the moment, as we've said, we've ramped it up quite successfully. So what it has become is it's become self-sustaining. And so therefore, any capital and growth at the moment that we are funding is self-sustained funding. And so our expected growth for next year would start coming from the Baboto pushbacks and the open pits on probably 30 or middle of the second quarter. So that's, I think, most I can say at the moment. We are still looking at optimizing those plans. But certainly, we would be starting to move into the open pit in the first half of next year. All right. And then maybe on the production cadence overall. I know you gave some commentary, Mark, on the back half for both gold and copper, but and tracking towards the high end, LG tracking ahead. So what level of conservatism do you feel is kind of baked in at this stage? Well, I don't think it's conservative necessarily. But Ben, look, we're going to hit our guidance, as I said, just I suppose to put something else on the table. We've had Veladero down to. I think it's 2 weeks now that we had a weather event where we had to evacuate even I'm sure you probably saw it on social media and things out of Chile and in acetina. So that has hit us. And Holger has been down for the oxide reason because Willy Creek down drive, we had to shut the whole plant down. So while I'm still confident we are hitting guidance, and you're right, in JM's in a good place in Saisbwehave had some other issues throughout the portfolio. And nothing -- both of them are actually another nature events are not actually operational problems. But so I still think the guidance is fine, but it's certainly not conservative

Joshua Wolfson

analyst
#42

Understood. And then real quick, just wondering how turnover transit at NGM during the quarter, if you're still in the mid-teens range. .

Mark Hill

executive
#43

We've got that number was 4%. Does anyone know with the answer to, I'd like to get back to you on that, Bennett. It's a good question, and it's something we are actually focused on is making Barry and especially NG and the Employer of Choice site. It's not that long ago that everyone wanted the job with Barrick. And so we are working on that. And as I said, the culture GM despite what might have been in some articles as, in my opinion, turned around completely, right? And you can tell that just by the performance that I said their production performance is safety performance, just when you go to the workforce, it's certainly better than it was, but I'll get you the actual number, if you can make that down, but we'll come back to you.

Operator

operator
#44

Our next question comes from Matthew Murphy with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, please meet and go ahead. Okay. Our next question comes from Bob Brackett with Bernstein Research.

Bob Brackett

analyst
#45

Broader question then maybe I'll follow up with the MGM. The broader question would be, if I think about the ex North America business, is there anything you're contemplating in terms of portfolio management on that asset base? And is that going to be slowed down by the IPO process? explain that to me a bit more. What do you mean by that?

Mark Hill

executive
#46

So think of all of the assets you have. There's a lot of natural partners or natural owners of some of your assets that sit outside of North America. Does the North America IPO process sort of take all of your attention, and therefore, we shouldn't expect a lot of portfolio management for the the non-North American businesses as we proceed, say, into the year-end or early '27.

Bob Brackett

analyst
#47

Look, actually, so Bob, the rest of the world portfolio is actually 1 of our biggest growth things we talk about MGM a lot, but actually what -- just at our recent Board meeting, actually, we had a whole session on growth for the rest of the world because of the potentially, you've seen what's going on at La Mana and even around Kibali and what we can do there. So than the current plan is really to grow the rest of the world, and that's what the focus will be. And serious

Hongyu Cai

executive
#48

I think you commented, Mark, I think -- the most important thing on the rest of the world is that, firstly, we are looking how we could best optimize that portfolio. And in terms of what Mark suggested around the partnerships that we're able to leverage. And also, we have real embedded growth profile, especially brownfields growth around most of our operations. So we have already embedded infrastructure. And of course, that's probably the lowest cost ounces you're going to add into your production profile. And then as you said, we've got the Mano expansion on the core I'm not sure to those assets, but there is a lot of potential around those current where we're trying to crystallize and put into a proper plan.

Bob Brackett

analyst
#49

Very clear. A quick follow-up. On the agreement with Newmont, are there any contingent payments involved at all, say, for hitting exploration upside? Or can we consider it pretty much done?

Mark Hill

executive
#50

Independent of future exploration success.

Operator

operator
#51

SP1 Our next question comes from Steven Green with TD Coventor.

Steven Green

analyst
#52

Yes. Thanks, I just wanted to follow up a little bit on how you intend to optimize MGM and potentially accelerate for mile I think Lawson, I need to ask most of my questions. But maybe you could just just talk a little bit about permitting requirements and what will be required there?

Mark Hill

executive
#53

8 Thanks, Per. So look, on the permitting, obviously, you want to get the Pentwater first. And after that, when I look at this, which again, is why it's critical that we got this joint venture sorted out. I have to get -- I have to understand what we can do as far as processing before I can even start the permitting. So I'm trying to accelerate that for that very reason. It's probably not a bad time to get permits in Nevada as well. So I can't give you a clear answer on the timing on the permits and that sort of thing. But now that we've got this agreement in place, we are going to sit down and completely optimize Nevada and that ore flow. And I know Newmont is supportive also of increasing processing capacity. And Stephen, we're always get into the same discussion that we're going to have the fresh out, which is autoclave versus rose and where it should be positioned. And I just haven't got a clear answer on that, but that's what we'll be accelerating starting tomorrow.

Steven Green

analyst
#54

Okay. And just to follow up again on fiber line and Mike. I believe you said there were roughly 6.4 million ounces in those properties. Is that correct for those inferred ounces.

Mark Hill

executive
#55

Actually know what the breakdown of 6.4. I'll just go through the presentation before this. So I'll get back to you on that, Steven.

Steven Green

analyst
#56

Okay. And where roughly are those properties and kind of how far advanced are they? .

Mark Hill

executive
#57

So fiber line is post the infrastructure turret -- and I think that is a reasonable status. It's a ovens would be a matter of a satellite deposit. And Mike, at this stage, I haven't put a lot of value to a tenant.

Operator

operator
#58

Our next question comes from Martin Pradier with Veritas Investment Research.

Martin Pradier

analyst
#59

Please meet and go ahead. I wonder if you have given any thought about floating 10% of the ex North America as well. loading 10% of like you -- basically, now you're going to have like almost companies like the North America and everything else, right, the rest of the world. Cuddon the line, low 10% of the non-North America the same way you're doing now. the IPO for the North Americas.

Mark Hill

executive
#60

Okay. No, Martin, I got to be honest, we have not had that discussion. It's never come up. So it's certainly not on the table at the moment.

Martin Pradier

analyst
#61

Okay. And the second question I have is -- in other expenses, there was this EUR 200 million for long Coto because you are applying, if I understand correctly that 2023 low retroactively. Was that part of the original agreement? And if it was, why it was not included in the previous quarter. No, look it's a bit of a fluid situation, as you can probably imagine. But let me hand it over to Helen to explain that.

Mark Hill

executive
#62

Thank you for the question. The nature of the the spending is additional royalties, penalties and associated interest based on the retrospective application of the 2023 mining call specifically for the year of 2024 and 2025. So previously, we have already settled anything related to 2023 and earlier years, but this is particularly for the 2024 and 2025. In terms of the amount paid, we paid cash $200 million in April. And also, we had a further payment demand of $48 million that was received in July. I hope that answers your question. .

Martin Pradier

analyst
#63

No, I'm just curious why it was not included in the previous quarters like it was part of the original agreement, you wouldn't have been provisioned or something? Maybe you can add to that.

Mark Hill

executive
#64

I think maybe to simplify, the original agreement only covered up to 2023. We continue applying our conventions through that period where we were negotiating and dispute. We still apply our original conventions. And so this was effectively -- as per the agreement, it only applied the retrospective application to 2023, and therefore, we had to do a reconciliation with the government for 2024 and 2025. And this was that payment effectively. .

Operator

operator
#65

Last Question comes from Lawson Winder from BofA Securities. Your line is open, please met,and go ahead.

Lawson Winder

analyst
#66

Yes. Thank you very much, operator. Thank you for taking the follow-up. I'll try to make this really quick. So one, you noted the revisions to the NGM joint venture agreement. Can you give us a little bit more color on the extent to which this would give Newmont additional say in various aspects of the operations and including the release of technical reports and whatnot, whatever detail you're able to disclose, I think, would be very helpful. .

Mark Hill

executive
#67

Well, I think there's a couple of things. Firstly, just as a general thing, it's not actually in the joint venture agreement, but the way we've approached this is completely different. So will have access to whatever information and the sites. And we've already done that with Francois and now with David, the technical lead to -- and then can come and give any feedback they can in a suggestion, which is always helpful. As far as actual rights go, the main 1 is around that they do have a right to and Joe, correct me we'll get the language on. But when we appoint the General Manager of NGM, we have to get their consent to do that is which I don't have an issue with that at all to, I think it's fair enough. And then the other part was, which we agreed which I also think would be quite helpful now that we've got -- we've reset this relationship. And actually, we want to advance this as quickly as possible. It is -- we'll likely embed in our executive team at NGM. Newmont employee, which I think will help -- it will go a long way just to -- with the transfer of information and things like that, and they will feel more comfortable with what's going on. So at a high level, that's what we agree. There were some other things around excluded property committees and other things like that, but really that's been taken care of for the fact we bought Filandro and the thing into the joint venture. So it's probably less relevant.

Lawson Winder

analyst
#68

Okay. That's very helpful. And if I could ask a follow-up on the question about the CEO search for Barrick mining parent. Can you share us if there's a preference between an internal or external candidate? .

Mark Hill

executive
#69

Well, my preference is always internal. But at this stage, we haven't got to that conclusion yet, who it is. So there's internal and external candidates. That's all I really can say -- my preference is obviously interact .

Operator

operator
#70

Thanks a lot as I will now turn the call over to Emily Chang. .

Unknown Executive

executive
#71

SP261997920 I just have an e-mailed question that I'd like to read out. But given some feedback from shareholders, are you considering a spin out of North America to existing shareholders rather than an IPO structure? Shares of Nevada and PV are distributed to current shareholders rather than diluting existing bolters. Ask the question. Daniel? Daniel a lot of people ask that the short answer to -- anything else, me? turn it back to the moderator.

Operator

operator
#72

Thank you. That concludes our event for today. You may now disconnect.

Read the full transcript via the API

You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete Barrick Mining Corporation transcript — plus 251,000+ transcripts from 12,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.

Get the API View API docs →

This call discussed

For developers and AI pipelines

Programmatic access to Barrick Mining Corporation earnings transcripts and 251,000+ others is available through the EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $24.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments, full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.